Color blind issue and fix: Green/yellow crosses look alike

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Color blind issue and fix: Green/yellow crosses look alike

Post by coyote303 » Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:32 am

I'm color blind, so the following is a serious question...

When assessing ship damage, are there two colors (green, red) or three (green, yellow, red) for the crosses? My worst nightmare in any computer game is bright green and yellow will be used in a key spot--and I can't tell them apart no matter how closely or how long I look.

If there are indeed three colors, my suggestion is to darken the green a bit. However, if you make it really dark, I might confuse it with the red crosses! Perhaps even better would be to make the symbols slightly different so a person can tell by shape or color.

Almost all color blind people see colors but certain shades are hard, or in some cases impossible, to tell apart. I really appreciate the designers allow players to pick the color of every player.

I'll never forget the time I played Red Alert and I chose yellow (or was it bright green?) because it really stood out from the other colors. This worked great for a few games. But one game, suddenly I was under attack from the bright green (or was it yellow?) computer forces! I could only laugh and end the game. I never played that color again!

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EDIT: Changed title as requested.
Last edited by coyote303 on Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:43 am, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: Are there really yellow crosses?

Post by Chernobog » Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:59 am

There are indeed three colors.

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Re: Are there really yellow crosses?

Post by DervMan » Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:05 pm

Yeah, there are three colours - and changing the shape of the damage icon would be a really handy feature... Or perhaps the size?
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Re: Are there really yellow crosses?

Post by Asmodeous » Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:36 am

Or perhaps a checkbox for a color-blind pallette like a lot of other games have.

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Re: Are there really yellow crosses?

Post by fiendishrabbit » Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:59 am

It's fairly easy to mod.

The relevant file is /GUI/Crosses.tga
You can find it by slicing open the sots.gob file with a Zip program.

This is the way you would fix the crosses thing.

1. Get the /GUI/Crosses.tga file from the sots.gob file.
2. Alter your copy of Crosses.tga (in photoshop for example) and replace each cross with a different icon. Say a Sad/Neutral/Happy smily.
3. Go into your sots catalogue, create a Mods folder.
4. In the Mods folder. Create a Colourblind folder (or whatever you want to call it) and inside that one create a /GUI/Crosses.tga file (that is a GUI folder and inside that your modified Crosses.tga file
5. Now open the sots.ini file (with notepad or something).

Replace
[Modules]
Mount1=sots_local_en.gob
Mount2=sots.gob


with

[Modules]
Mount1=Mount1=Mods/Colourblind/
Mount2=sots_local_en.gob
Mount3=sots.gob


The important part is that the Mount1 links to folder where your GUI folder containing the file is.
SOTS will load mounts in order until it has all the files it needs.
So by mounting your file first it will load that one instead of the regular one.

All done.
You can even use this HIDEOUS (but hopefully functional, I'm not colourblind so I'm not sure it works for you) Sad/Neutral/Happy smiley replacement file that I made myself.

Crosses replacement (HIDEOUS!)
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Re: Are there really yellow crosses?

Post by whatamidoinghere » Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:10 pm

Well, the other issue is that selected fleets are highlighted yellow, so you can't see yellow indicators...
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Re: Are there really yellow crosses?

Post by Carch » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:33 pm

I spent some time messing with this last night and ended up just modifying the cross and Xpoint colors. Didn't take much of a tweak, and you can see the results below. The top half is true color, the bottom half is simulated color blind color, the left is original SOTS and the right is the modified colors.

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Re: Are there really yellow crosses?

Post by fiendishrabbit » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:56 pm

Carch wrote:I spent some time messing with this last night and ended up just modifying the cross and Xpoint colors. Didn't take much of a tweak, and you can see the results below. The top half is true color, the bottom half is simulated color blind color, the left is original SOTS and the right is the modified colors.

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/9228/colorblindhealth.jpg

Mod attached.


Carch. You packed the unmodified files. :oops:

Though yeah. Xpoint needs to be modified as well.
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Re: Are there really yellow crosses?

Post by Carch » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:18 am

fiendishrabbit wrote:Carch. You packed the unmodified files. :oops:

Though yeah. Xpoint needs to be modified as well.


No, those are the modified colors. The difference is subtle, except to a color blind person.
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Re: Are there really yellow crosses?

Post by fiendishrabbit » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:19 am

Carch wrote:
fiendishrabbit wrote:Carch. You packed the unmodified files. :oops:

Though yeah. Xpoint needs to be modified as well.


No, those are the modified colors. The difference is subtle, except to a color blind person.


Ah. You're right. I just looked at the screen from an incorrect angle. The JPEG you posted on the other hand behaves differently than the TGA file (and still looks blue when I look at it from the same slightly off angle).
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Re: Are there really yellow crosses?

Post by coyote303 » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:03 am

I'd like to really thank carch and fiendishrabbit for taking the time to explain and produce their mods. I'd also like to thank everyone's feedback on this issue.

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Re: Are there really yellow crosses?

Post by whatamidoinghere » Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:46 pm

This should totally be stickied.
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Post by silvaril » Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:55 pm

Heya

I've added the thread here to the Wiki Mods list as the Colour Differentiation Mod.

Can I ask that Coyote303 alter the thread name to better reflect the colour blindness issue.

I'll also ask Caste' to move this over to the Modding sub-forum.

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Re: Color blind issue and fix: Green/yellow crosses look alike

Post by Carch » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:59 am

EDIT: OMG ninja edit by coyote :P Oh well, things to check is still valid.

Things to check:

ColorBlindHealth.gob is in your SOTS Mods directory:
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Your sots.ini looks something like this:

Code: Select all

[Modules]
Mount1=Mods/ColorBlindHealth.gob
Mount2=sots_local_en.gob
Mount3=sots.gob
[Locale]
Language=EN
CurrentProfile=Profiles/Profile_Carch.ini
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Re: Color blind issue and fix: Green/yellow crosses look alike

Post by coyote303 » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:12 am

First: My apologies for the ninja post. It was only there a few minutes--you're fast!

Second: I was having real trouble getting it to work. I had posted questioning the right crosses were out there, and right after posting it, I figured out how to open the file and see they were indeed correct.

Third: I finally got it to work! Don't ask how long it took me; however, it was a great way to learn about modding. :)

Fourth: Thank you again!!

Coyote

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