Kickstarting Northstar

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Re: Kickstarting Northstar

Post by Nspace » Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:33 pm

Both Kickstarter and Amazon Payments take a percentage of Kickstarter pledges (I believe the number I've seen is 5% each). And assume about 10% of pledges don't pay up.

The rest of those numbers are mostly too high for Kickstarter. Looking at some of the most recent games projects that have been funded, Games made by big names in the field or using beloved older franchises don't get to 75K people or if they do it's not at the $40 level. For example:

  • Shadowrun Returns - 36,276 Backers, 15,502 pledged between $15 and $30, 8,478 between $30 and $50
  • Wasteland 2 - 61,290 Backers, 32,778 pledged between $15 and $30, 8,828 between $30 and $50
  • Double Fine Adventure - 87,142 Backers, 47,946 pledged between $15 and $30, 24,636 between $30 and $50
  • Project Eternity (so far) - 49,048 Backers, 33,957 pledged between $15 and $30, 6,707 between $30 and $50

Smaller companies or new franchises are pulling in much less than that, with the vast majority of games are funded at less than $500,000. Only 17 Computer games have received more. I think it's important for us as fans to realize that as great as Kickstarter is, it isn't really generating the same level of funding (for most developers) as the big publishers can throw around.
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Re: Kickstarting Northstar

Post by Cpt. Awesome » Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:49 pm

Nspace wrote:Smaller companies or new franchises are pulling in much less than that, with the vast majority of games are funded at less than $500,000. Only 17 Computer games have received more. I think it's important for us as fans to realize that as great as Kickstarter is, it isn't really generating the same level of funding (for most developers) as the big publishers can throw around.


You're right, but I think the point of Kickstarter isn't about generating the same level of funding as big publishers. The real beauty of kickstarter is getting "niche-ish" projects some kind of chance when there is no big publisher interest.

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Re: Kickstarting Northstar

Post by Sevain » Sat Sep 29, 2012 6:14 pm

Nspace wrote:Both Kickstarter and Amazon Payments take a percentage of Kickstarter pledges (I believe the number I've seen is 5% each). And assume about 10% of pledges don't pay up.

The rest of those numbers are mostly too high for Kickstarter. Looking at some of the most recent games projects that have been funded, Games made by big names in the field or using beloved older franchises don't get to 75K people or if they do it's not at the $40 level. For example:

  • Shadowrun Returns - 36,276 Backers, 15,502 pledged between $15 and $30, 8,478 between $30 and $50
  • Wasteland 2 - 61,290 Backers, 32,778 pledged between $15 and $30, 8,828 between $30 and $50
  • Double Fine Adventure - 87,142 Backers, 47,946 pledged between $15 and $30, 24,636 between $30 and $50
  • Project Eternity (so far) - 49,048 Backers, 33,957 pledged between $15 and $30, 6,707 between $30 and $50

Smaller companies or new franchises are pulling in much less than that, with the vast majority of games are funded at less than $500,000. Only 17 Computer games have received more. I think it's important for us as fans to realize that as great as Kickstarter is, it isn't really generating the same level of funding (for most developers) as the big publishers can throw around.
That is very much true currently. However, were Kickstarter to ever become "mainstream", do you feel there is anything wrong with my thinking?

I am not a professional but it looks like a much more desirable pathway to funding for developers than working with a publisher.

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Re: Kickstarting Northstar

Post by Nspace » Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:00 pm

Nope nothing wrong with your thinking. :) And I agree that, as a fan of computer games, kickstarter does look like a more desirable pathway to funding for developers. I just would like people to understand that the funding being generated right now doesn't seem to be enough to get games like Sword of the Stars 2 paid for from start to finish for the vast majority of developers. And as much as I hope that will change in the future, I'm not convinced that we will ever see million dollar plus funding levels on a regular basis.
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Re: Kickstarting Northstar

Post by feld » Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:25 pm

What excites me about the possibility is this (possibly illusory) hope which I think I share with many niche gamers that enough money could be assembled to make The Game I'm Interested In if only there was a way to assemble the 10,000 or 100,000 or 1,000,000 people on the planet who wanted to play It (whatever "It" happens to be for the person in question).

Though, in my case and given my interests, the numbers are likely to be in the 10-100 human beings. Maybe another 20-30 or so if I get to count octopi and certain cetaceans. Other monkies don't like my game ideas much...

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Re: Kickstarting Northstar

Post by Cpt. Awesome » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:03 am

feld wrote:Though, in my case and given my interests, the numbers are likely to be in the 10-100 human beings. Maybe another 20-30 or so if I get to count octopi and certain cetaceans. Other monkies don't like my game ideas much...


Never under estimate the number of people into the same stuff as you. I believe the advent of the internet in general has dispelled this concept long ago ;)

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Re: Kickstarting Northstar

Post by Mecron » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:35 pm

Never underestimate that it takes much more than an idea and even money to make a game. Crowdsourcing is an amazing new phenomena, especially for smaller projects. But its not magic. And making games is hard work. Suspect we will see this illustrated over the next year or so in some of these projects.

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Re: Kickstarting Northstar

Post by Coyote27 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:53 am

Seboss wrote:I'd buy a SotS-based schmup ;)



I don't know about anyone else - SHMUPs are a rarefied genre these days - but I'd play the heck out of it.

It could be done even as a fangame, since there's frameworks like Danmakufu out there that would be a good start.
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Re: Kickstarting Northstar

Post by nightboy42 » Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:55 pm

I would support any project KP has in the future even if i had my opinions on SoTS 2. Necron is fully aware of my standings on some things :P But i would still support you guys as ive done thusfar.

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Re: Kickstarting Northstar

Post by Nspace » Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:29 pm

Well, if you haven't already contributed to it, Ground Pounders is on Indiegogo right now. :)
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