Some interesting inspection of the indie gaming market

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Re: Some interesting inspection of the indie gaming market

Post by ZedF » Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:29 pm

Isn’t the idea of ‘let’s put a primary focus on agents as a limited resource’ drawn from grand strategy games? I’m not really sure it’s all that new — though it might be new in 4X.

As far as the combat goes, it sounds like a heavily RTS-inspired rock-paper-scissor affair, and the whole ‘roleplay your story’ angle without a lot of story hooks provided sounds like it will result in very generic stories. I think I’d want to see it before jumping on any bandwagons.
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Re: Some interesting inspection of the indie gaming market

Post by Slashman » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:06 pm

Well at least it sounds better than Civ 7 "Here's more of the exact same thing repackaged differently".
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Re: Some interesting inspection of the indie gaming market

Post by ZedF » Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:34 pm

I dunno, maybe yes maybe no. Like I said, I'd want to see it in action; I don't find the marketing spiel super-convincing, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

That said, triple A games rise and fall on the strength of polish, much more than originality, so comparing to Civ isn't really useful.
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Re: Some interesting inspection of the indie gaming market

Post by Slashman » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:02 am

You sound downright hostile to a game you admittedly haven't seen yet. I get that we all want SOTSHD but this guy is trying something that sounds a little different. You haven't seen it yet so why the hostility?

I mean it could very well be a failure but I'd rather hope than condemn it before it launches. If it is good it doesn't mean that SOTSHD won't be just as good if not better.

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Re: Some interesting inspection of the indie gaming market

Post by Mecron » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:06 am

to be fair to Zed, the riff in that article has been heard a few times. 4X with micro detail combat, highly technical systems and bots to control stuff for you. Hope for the best but this isn't new ground.

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Re: Some interesting inspection of the indie gaming market

Post by ZedF » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:40 pm

You're reading in hostility that isn't there, Slash. Skeptical? Yes. Non-commital? Yes. Hostile? Not so much; nothing so emotion-driven. If it succeeds, great. But there are too many games out there that fail to live up to expectations to buy the hype on all of them. I don't know the dev, so the hype is all I have to go on. What I infer from analyzing this hype and trying to read between the lines, is that the odds are at best 50/50 that this could turn out to be something I'd be interested in. So, wait and see.

I could go into more detail about where I see yellow caution flags. Maybe you would feel that the things that concern me don’t bother you — which would be fair. But I rather get the sense that you want to believe, whereas I would prefer to wait for evidence. In that case, more elaboration wouldn’t really change anything.
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Re: Some interesting inspection of the indie gaming market

Post by Slashman » Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:10 pm

Well I'm not pre-ordering a copy if that's what you mean. I just said it sounds interesting to me.

Willdieh said he communicated with the dev and he was excited for it. I said there is a guy who is doing a 4x with combat as his main focus and I like his take on it. That's it. I'm not sure it has to be the second coming. But who else is doing a 4x with combat as the main focus right now?
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Re: Some interesting inspection of the indie gaming market

Post by Rossinna-Sama » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:09 pm

It depends on what form that focus takes in regards to the combat. SOTS's style is closer to Nexus - The Jupiter Incident then pretty much any other 4X or in general most space games. Very easy to say a focus is on combat but, well, most games say that at one point since combat is one of the 4 pillars which make the 4X tag as Conquest or Exterminate, depending on if they use the 4 C or 4 E terms.
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Re: Some interesting inspection of the indie gaming market

Post by Mecron » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:43 pm

To be honest anytime I hear a designer of big battle games refer to the jupiter incident, I cringe.

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Re: Some interesting inspection of the indie gaming market

Post by Slashman » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:53 pm

I've never played Nexus the Jupiter Incident so I have no idea what makes you cringe...
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Re: Some interesting inspection of the indie gaming market

Post by Mecron » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:42 pm

say I was making a simulation of all the cities on earth and you had to control all the people and the told you the original sims was a big influence on me. You know, where they burnt their own houses down if you left them alone for more than five mins.

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Re: Some interesting inspection of the indie gaming market

Post by Slashman » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:27 am

Ah...that makes sense now!
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Re: Some interesting inspection of the indie gaming market

Post by Cpt. Awesome » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:59 pm

What I appreciated about SOTS2 was the refocus at the fleet level. Kinda of tired of typical 4x early game combat where you basically just frantically scout with an individual unit/ship which minimizes the variety during encounters.

There was a game called Stardrive 2 that came out a couple years ago. Full disclosure, I have not significantly played either 1 or 2. I knew that the moment the developer spent a ton of time adding generic squad based combat in a 4x game that it didn't bode well at all (red flag).

While the 4x genre is relatively niche and likely shrinking more than growing, there is still easily anywhere from a few 100k to 2 million potential customers for any game that wishes to cater to them. I just hope that since MOO games have been "successfully re-released" by games such as Stars in Shadows, we can hopefully move on to some new ideas.

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