The "Women in Gaming" Thread

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Re: The "Women in Gaming" Thread

Post by Mecron » Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:35 am

yeah...again...so you are comfy with being the final arbiter of truth in a matter of how something makes someone feel? Also isn't it kind of odd how the ugly path is the most clear? Also some of you have an interesting standard of "real" that extends to abuse but pull back on realistic issues of disease, availability of steel and healing.

Your idea of your own impartiality is a fantasy. Which is fine, that's the human condition, but sometimes you gotta grow up to the point where you take it into account and let the folks who are most affected have their say. One review...i think the witcher will survive.

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Re: The "Women in Gaming" Thread

Post by Slashman » Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:05 am

I am in no way questioning that the scene makes someone else feel uncomfortable. It would make me feel uncomfortable as well I'd imagine. I wasn't aware that this was what was in question.

I actually posted earlier that based on the other games, I have seen some extreme stuff in the series.

I thought the point in question was if this was specifically directed more at women in the game as a theme of the game. TW2 had a torture scene with a male as well. If you interrupt it, you can't save him (he's still tortured and dies from the wounds). If you took a different route through the jail, you can also come to a setup of the exact same scene with a female, if you interrupt it, you always save the female unscathed.

In the example I gave, yes, the bad end was easier to find once I took the mission. I have no idea if it was the easiest in the case of the TW3, do you?

Everyone's impartiality is a fantasy when you get right down to it. Does that mean we should never question or compare the facts of a situation? Does letting someone have their say mean you never respond because they're talking about something that they feel strongly about?
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Re: The "Women in Gaming" Thread

Post by Mecron » Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:23 am

Personally I find I often question things when they lead me into mansplaining territory. You also noticed you sidestepped the point I made about WHAT parts of a FRPG we defend with "realism" and which we don't.

If I get around to playing W3 and I am just choosing to kill women, enslave children and rape dudes then I will probably loudly declare it to be a "Dark" game.

You notice I am very much NOT arguing about W3. I started by a) making the ironic point that it sure is good all us dudes agree its ok. And then, eventually started poking why this one is so important. I mean slash, if you are leading a crusade against inaccurate reviews, then I got about 15 of them hanging over my head from the past 10 years...including a high profile one just recently rife with inaccuracies. And I will tell you right now, the impact of those has hit kerberos far harder than the witcher series.

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Re: The "Women in Gaming" Thread

Post by Slashman » Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:03 am

I find I just question things period when there are conflicting viewpoints. More so if I have first hand knowledge of a company's previous work and something sounds off to me. If I'm wrong, then fine, I can admit I'm wrong.

As to the the realism point, you can level that accusation at pretty much any game. Why doesn't Kaiju-a-Gogo show the true aftermath and human suffering of an actual giant monster attack when people are dying and suffering from the lack of emergency and relief services, basic housing and supplies? Why does it paint causing mass murder as such an all-upside affair? What game can't you level the same questions at when it tries to portray any aspect of the human condition? Be it a fantasy setting or otherwise.

I pretty loudly declared reviews of Kerberos games to be inaccurate when I found them to be so. Pretty sure I did the same with the Total Biscuit review of KAG. And I've done so with any other game that I've found to be badly represented by a review. Let me ask...why is it that doing so for this game series means anything more significant than I just don't agree when the review in question tackles a specific topic?

I'll edit to add that I re-read the review. The reviewer makes note of several other things that I'd find disturbing if I played the game and encountered them as something happening frequently. If that's the case, then it sounds like overkill by a good bit. The previous games had nudity and prostitutes as well, but it sounds like this one has them in higher frequency. Maybe playing the whole game in a marathon session as a reviewer would make these seem closely strung together and maybe not (the previous games were smaller and had less locations). Regardless, I can't judge it without playing it. So I'll just end by saying that if they've gone that route for shock value, I'd be disappointed and shame on them. They never needed to before. And I guess that's that until I play it.
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Re: The "Women in Gaming" Thread

Post by Mecron » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:34 pm

Hmmm, how long till these people get a story arc in an FPS?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_Protection_Units

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Re: The "Women in Gaming" Thread

Post by fiendishrabbit » Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:44 am

Mecron wrote:Hmmm, how long till these people get a story arc in an FPS?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_Protection_Units


Probably a long time, being both women AND non-soviet socialists.
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Re: The "Women in Gaming" Thread

Post by Slashman » Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:52 pm

Maybe I don't watch enough international news, but why is there not more stuff about them published? I had never heard of them til now. At least I'm reasonably sure I haven't.

Also, it might be more appropriate for them to be a faction or sub-faction in an RTS!

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Re: The "Women in Gaming" Thread

Post by Mecron » Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:04 pm

there is a good lil doc on youtube right now...search women vs isis and you should find it.


You forgot the third strike, Rabbit. They are women socialist Feminists...GG would lose its shite. :lol:

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Re: The "Women in Gaming" Thread

Post by BlueTemplar » Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:18 pm

This has been so far outside my own experience so far, that I had trouble believing it.
But the comments on this video, wow!
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Re: The "Women in Gaming" Thread

Post by marshb » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:26 pm

Just going by "likes" compared to Johns other videos the response is very unique as the haters move in and mark there territory. Internet fundamentalism. John has become apostate without knowing it! :P
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Re: The "Women in Gaming" Thread

Post by Mecron » Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:20 am

the manboy legion is like the fundamentalists...they think its still 2005 and normal people are still reading the comment section. Fidiots slapping each other on the back for winning a battlefield long forgotten.

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Re: The "Women in Gaming" Thread

Post by Space Voyager » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:00 am

Thanks for the link, BT. I'll share this further. Incredibly, only 2/3 of the likes favour the vid that has an obvious good intention and shows what people go through. Just unthinkable.
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Re: The "Women in Gaming" Thread

Post by Slashman » Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:23 pm

I'm always left wondering how any sane person can go from 'I disagree with your viewpoint' to 'I'm going to cut off your head because you said something I didn't like on the internet'.

What sort of value system could you have been given growing up?

There were a few examples of games that Sarkeesian has given that I didn't agree with her on. Yet somehow I managed to restrain myself from looking up her address and sending rape and death threats. How did I do that? :?
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Re: The "Women in Gaming" Thread

Post by Mecron » Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:19 pm

perhaps you are some sort of sainted being?...do you give off a slight glow? ;)

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Re: The "Women in Gaming" Thread

Post by Torezu » Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:20 pm

Slashman wrote:There were a few examples of games that Sarkeesian has given that I didn't agree with her on. Yet somehow I managed to restrain myself from looking up her address and sending rape and death threats. How did I do that? :?

You are a normal person. Congratulations!

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