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Re: FACTION: SOL FORCE

Post by Erinys » Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:58 pm

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Re: FACTION: SOL FORCE

Post by gunnyfreak » Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:08 pm

As a small and insignificant in anyway question, does wikipedia still exist?

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Re: FACTION: SOL FORCE

Post by Erinys » Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:15 pm

Some variant probably does, although the Consortia control access to energy and information far more than any government does today.

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Re: FACTION: SOL FORCE

Post by rikkimoto » Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:59 pm

Is it possible for you to change your empire's citizens freedom through choices/government type you choose to play as?

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Re: FACTION: SOL FORCE

Post by Azrael Ultima » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:51 pm

I think it would be more appropriate to say that your government type changes according to the freedom you grant your citizens.
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Re: FACTION: SOL FORCE

Post by lwarmonger » Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:20 am

Erinys wrote:Some variant probably does, although the Consortia control access to energy and information far more than any government does today.

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What degree of control is exerted over information in the worlds that broke away briefly and then were brought back into the fold? Is a kind of federalism in place here? Also, I am curious, do significant divisions in Solforce remain as a result of that conflict (after all, it isn't like one side was defeated)?

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Re: FACTION: SOL FORCE

Post by ZedF » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:09 am

All Solforce planets are IIRC governed independently from one another; i.e. the Consortia governments have no sway over what happens elsewhere in the Human empire. SolForce doesn't care how planets govern themselves so long as the appropriate SolForce funding/staffing requirements are fulfilled.
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Re: DISCOVERY OF NODE SPACE

Post by Hari Seldon » Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:32 pm

Erinys wrote:Blasky Yao-Hsiang had proposed the existence of Node Space as early as 2379, in a Master's Thesis submitted to the Europa Institute. With his Sol Prima array, he hoped to prove the existence of this "subspace dimension" by opening a small wormhole while in the sharply curving slope of Sol's enormous gravity well.
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For the next two hours, as his team of solar scientists desperately attempted to find some means of reaching and rescuing their comrade, Blasky made a series of burst transmissions to the nearby Storm Watch probe in Jupiter’s orbit. The full-length recording of these transmissions is still played to first-year students of Node mechanics, and can be a highly emotional experience for those who have never heard them before.

As Blasky’s probe slowly descended into Jupiter’s atmosphere, the scientist gave a highly detailed account of his experience in Node Space, describing the gravitational “current” which seemed to pull him away from Sol’s orbit with blinding speed. He expressed his regret in having expended so much fuel fighting this astounding gravimetric pull, and speculated that his pod might have traveled much further had he not engaged thrust to fight the current within the “starstream”.

When Blasky could add no further detail to his description of Node Space, he calculated the volume of fuel he had expended in resisting the gravitational flux, and the distance and direction he had traveled. His tentative conclusion was that the force acting upon his ship had been the gravitational pull of the nearby star Wolf 359. Later experiments in subspace travel supported this hypothesis, as Wolf 359 was the nearest node in Sol’s subspace chain, but in recent years it has been suggested that Blasky may also have entered a micro-Node between Sol and Jupiter.

After carefully re-checking his data, including the level of energy he had used to initiate his solar scan, Blasky ejected his data core with the ship’s tracking beacon attached. He died several minutes later in the crushing depths of Jupiter’s liquid hydrogen sea. The amazing discovery and tragic death of this remarkable scientist became the planet-wide impetus for a return to manned space exploration. Solomon Blasky argued passionately in the months immediately following the accident that the budget cuts which had forced Sol Force to place only an unmanned probe in Jupiter’s orbit, rather than a manned research facility, had cost his brother his life.


If only Blasky had hypothesized instead of "starstream" that it was "planetstream" and he might be going down a micro-line from Sol to Jupiter and not to Wolf 359 he would not have fought the current, ended up at Jupiter anyway without expending so much fuel, and might have been able to re-enter the Node point to travel the other way down the micro-line from Jupiter back to Sol, and Blasky could have gotten back to his research team and survived? :cry:
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Re: FACTION: SOL FORCE

Post by cameron112497 » Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:21 pm

Depending on how close to Jupiter he got. Its gravity would be to much to escape from. However it may also have been a node to wolf 359 and he would have ended up there.

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Re: FACTION: SOL FORCE

Post by ZedF » Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:06 pm

I think it was alluded to earlier that it was a minor miracle that Blasky survived to report at all, since his research pod was not designed for nodespace travel to begin with. If he'd known he would stop at Jupiter in the first place he might have been able to save more fuel and perhaps survive the voyage, but a return trip via node line would have been ill-advised if there was any possibility at all of rescue by conventional in-system space travel.
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Re: FACTION: SOL FORCE

Post by Torezu » Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:45 pm

ZedF wrote:If he'd known he would stop at Jupiter in the first place he might have been able to save more fuel and perhaps survive the voyage, but a return trip via node line would have been ill-advised if there was any possibility at all of rescue by conventional in-system space travel.

Unless he was rescued fairly quickly, I don't see a research "pod" (unless it was bigger than I think) having the supplies for a month-long (or longer) stay in Jupiter orbit, so a return via node space would probably have been the only option. Kind of a moot point, though.

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Re: FACTION: SOL FORCE

Post by Obi325 » Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:07 pm

Torezu wrote:
ZedF wrote:If he'd known he would stop at Jupiter in the first place he might have been able to save more fuel and perhaps survive the voyage, but a return trip via node line would have been ill-advised if there was any possibility at all of rescue by conventional in-system space travel.

Unless he was rescued fairly quickly, I don't see a research "pod" (unless it was bigger than I think) having the supplies for a month-long (or longer) stay in Jupiter orbit, so a return via node space would probably have been the only option. Kind of a moot point, though.


But should he try to return via node-space he could die anyway and all the knowledge he left behind would go down with him. Maybe there was an option but he opted not to, for the sake of the human kind.

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Re: FACTION: SOL FORCE

Post by COL Tatticky » Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:29 pm

Torezu wrote:
ZedF wrote:If he'd known he would stop at Jupiter in the first place he might have been able to save more fuel and perhaps survive the voyage, but a return trip via node line would have been ill-advised if there was any possibility at all of rescue by conventional in-system space travel.
Unless he was rescued fairly quickly, I don't see a research "pod" (unless it was bigger than I think) having the supplies for a month-long (or longer) stay in Jupiter orbit, so a return via node space would probably have been the only option. Kind of a moot point, though.
Which is why some argued that if the Jupiter research station had been manned instead of unmanned, Blasky could have survived.

Also, the time constraints might not be as strict as you think. If there were permanent facilities in around Jupiter, the probability of an interplanetary-capible ship being within weeks if not days would be relatively high. If Blasky could have at least achived a stable orbit, then he could have survived that long, with air scrubbers and urine purifiers cobbled up Apollo 13-style.


Obi325 wrote:But should he try to return via node-space he could die anyway and all the knowledge he left behind would go down with him. Maybe there was an option but he opted not to, for the sake of the human kind.
Possibly, but he could have still reported in via radio before trying it. In the end though, it would still depend on having enough fuel to maintain orbit.
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Re: FACTION: SOL FORCE

Post by Obi325 » Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:58 am

COL Tatticky wrote:
Obi325 wrote:But should he try to return via node-space he could die anyway and all the knowledge he left behind would go down with him. Maybe there was an option but he opted not to, for the sake of the human kind.
Possibly, but he could have still reported in via radio before trying it. In the end though, it would still depend on having enough fuel to maintain orbit.


I think he needed time to think and report what he wanted to say. You may think of something new, but explaining it to someone else is another story. Furthermore, if he could send his instructions via radio, why didn't he do that at first place?

As Blasky’s probe slowly descended into Jupiter’s atmosphere, the scientist gave a highly detailed account of his experience in Node Space, describing the gravitational “current” which seemed to pull him away from Sol’s orbit with blinding speed. He expressed his regret in having expended so much fuel fighting this astounding gravimetric pull, and speculated that his pod might have traveled much further had he not engaged thrust to fight the current within the “starstream”.


How much time did he spend in the node space? It sounds to me like he spent there an hour or so.

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Re: FACTION: SOL FORCE

Post by Erinys » Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:01 am

No need to torment anyone with scenarios of Yao-Hsiang's possible survival. He wasn't in Node Space that long, but it was long enough to exhaust the available fuel; he couldn't even maintain orbit around Jupiter, much less hop back into the pipe, and even if he had attempted it, there is no guarantee that he wouldn't have ended up at the heart of the sun--or at Wolf 359.

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