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Re: FACTION: HIVER IMPERIUM

Post by Unwashed_Pleb » Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:49 pm

Hm... it must take a great deal to have ones mind added to the crown jewels... I wonder who the original owners of said minds were, and what they did to give them the honor of immortality.
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Re: FACTION: HIVER IMPERIUM

Post by nickersonm » Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:48 pm

Erinys wrote:
6) What Hiver political body (clan? family? queen? prince/princess? I'm not sure of the appropriate Hiver term to use here) was the invasion force acting in behalf of? The same as the Hiver empire that had been having constant border skirmishes with the Silver Imperium, or some other, distant faction?


This was a task force acting in the name of the Queen. Her name is difficult to translate into English, but Immaculate Pearl is a close enough approximation. The attack on Tarka space appears to have been the last act of a small coalition of royal Hivers who were members of Her inner circle. Records from the period are somewhat sparse, as the Hiver Interregnum also began at roughly this time.

I was rereading the Silver Imperium speculation thread, and came across this. Am I correct in inferring that this is is the same as the latter bit of...
Erinys wrote:Sadly, Immaculate Pearl was not to rule long. She and Her escorting fleet vanished during a diplomatic visit to Tarka space in 3392. In the panic and uproar that followed, supporters of the Queen put forward Her own Aunt, Autumn Twilight, to serve as Princess Regent until Her return.

It was at first assumed that the Tarka were holding the Queen hostage, or perhaps had murdered the Queen and Her fleet. Hiver scientists quickly announced, however, that the matter might be much more serious: radical changes had taken place in the space-time continuum surrounding the Tarka home world. Several systems colonized by the Tarka seemed to have disappeared entirely.

A war fleet was dispatched nonetheless to demand the return of the Queen and Her children unharmed. It met with no success. Communication with the Tarka broke down almost instantly upon arrival, and battle was joined. All ships of the Hiver fleet were lost, but not before they had inflicted enormous damage on the Tarka home world.

It looks like Immaculate Pearl got caught up in the SI disappearance, and the fleet sent to recover her ended up collapsing the remnant of Tarkan civilization. I realize this is pretty clear from the information in this Hiver thread, but I didn't quite connect it until I reread the SI thread after this one, so perhaps others may find this juxtaposition useful.

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Re: FACTION: HIVER IMPERIUM

Post by Korgan » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:33 am

Yeah, I didn't want to give away any spoilers in the general forum thread since there are lots that don't have access here yet, I kinda figured anyone who had access here already knew what I was talking about it my post from the hiver blurb mentioned here.

it's funny though, a few days before Erinys posted the info here, I was already thinking some sort of space-time event could have been the cause from reading the silver age thread. I just had no clue how valid it was, since it's not the type of thing we've ever seen mentioned in sotsverse before or at least not that I recall, and i've been wrong about many things before. :p

Once I read the those few sentences here though I was bouncing in my chair at the possible implications this could have, now we just need to wait for the how and why to unfold in the future :)

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Re: FACTION: HIVER IMPERIUM

Post by Kaan'Ish » Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:09 am

Erinys wrote:Clanless has many meanings.

It can mean that a Hiver has been cast out of his family, it can mean that the rest of his family is dead, or it can mean that he is lost and does not know where to find his family.

Of course, it can also mean that he has disowned his family and refuses to speak of them.

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Is this a confusion that would also exist in the Hiver language? Are there separate words for these events, or are they bracketed under the same concept? Given the cultural importance of family/clan relationships for the Hivers, I would imagine that there would be a correspondingly large vocabulary, akin to the wide range of terminology for suicide/sacrifice.
Unless, of course, this is something of a taboo/uncomfortable subject among Hivers, something unfortunate or shameful, in which case I can see the situation(s) being obscured within a fog of euphemism.

Actually, thinking more, I suspect the latter. Given Hiver familial loyalty, events of such seriousness as to cause family rifts, especially to the point of one or both involved parties severing the family bond would be socially delicate subjects. I can see Hivers being very practised at dancing around the issue with deliberately vague words.

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Post by Erinys » Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:29 pm

Kaan'Ish wrote:Is this a confusion that would also exist in the Hiver language? Are there separate words for these events, or are they bracketed under the same concept? Given the cultural importance of family/clan relationships for the Hivers, I would imagine that there would be a correspondingly large vocabulary, akin to the wide range of terminology for suicide/sacrifice.

Unless, of course, this is something of a taboo/uncomfortable subject among Hivers, something unfortunate or shameful, in which case I can see the situation(s) being obscured within a fog of euphemism.

Actually, thinking more, I suspect the latter. Given Hiver familial loyalty, events of such seriousness as to cause family rifts, especially to the point of one or both involved parties severing the family bond would be socially delicate subjects. I can see Hivers being very practised at dancing around the issue with deliberately vague words.


You've essentially answered your own question here, but for the record: "clanless" in the Hiver language is a word very much like "unmarried" in English. It can have a wide range of meanings depending on context. ;)

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Post by Mika » Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:46 pm

Erinys wrote:You've essentially answered your own question here, but for the record: "clanless" in the Hiver language is a word very much like "unmarried" in English. It can have a wide range of meanings depending on context. ;)

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I would imagine these meanings would run all the way from "disowned from clan due to extreme bad behavior" to "single Hiver Prince looking for Princess". :bangdesk:
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Post by Erinys » Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:56 pm

Certainly.

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Re: FACTION: HIVER IMPERIUM

Post by Formid » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:07 pm

Since the scientific and religious institutions of the HIvers are basically one and the same, and the Gates are the pinnacle of Hiver technology, do gate ships and gate stations have special religious significance? When you're blowing up a Hiver gate in orbit around your world, are you destroying something not far removed from a Hiver temple?

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Post by Thamuzz » Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:22 pm

I suspect more monastery than temple. If I recall correctly, gate ships are staffed by priests (or more accurately, technicians who are also priests)

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Post by Erinys » Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:59 pm

Formid wrote:Since the scientific and religious institutions of the HIvers are basically one and the same, and the Gates are the pinnacle of Hiver technology, do gate ships and gate stations have special religious significance? When you're blowing up a Hiver gate in orbit around your world, are you destroying something not far removed from a Hiver temple?


Yes to both questions. Pilgrims often travel to visit the Gate stations and contemplate the Gates--even non-Hiver worshippers have been attracted to the Gate as a manifestation of the Divine Goddess.

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Re: FACTION: HIVER IMPERIUM

Post by Glacialis » Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:05 pm

Do non-Hivers share in their religion? It seems to be one of the more exclusive religions out there, if it focuses on the Queen at least.
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Post by Erinys » Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:40 pm

Yes, there are non-Hivers who are attracted to the Gates. There are many Tarka sects who worship a divine Goddess of creation, and a few humans who have this belief as well.

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Re: FACTION: HIVER IMPERIUM

Post by twentypence » Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:04 am

Has the Hiver Imperium been allowed / chosen to create any gates in systems belonging to other races?

If so, how deep into others territory do the gates go?

If not how do Hiver traders transport goods to these other races? Do they rely on other traders to come to them? Are there trading stations in neutral zones?

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Post by Erinys » Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:55 pm

Hiver gates are built in non-Hiver systems by treaty. Generally speaking they are permitted to build in neutral territory and in specifically chosen trade systems.

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Re: FACTION: HIVER IMPERIUM

Post by Cicero » Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:51 am

Huh, it'll be interesting to see how that works out in game.


Anyway, the gate-priests serve the queen directly, right? so what happened to them during the civil wars? Does the order as a whole pick one candidate to back? different stations choosing different princesses? the whole institution remaining steadfastly neutral?

Similarly, is there any way to limit a gate network? or do all gates necessarily give access to every other one in existence? if so, fighting a civil war must be a strategic nightmare..

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