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Source Doc(s) French

Post by castewarkp » Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:51 pm

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... VZzYkVCVWc

I've taken kenshiro's strings file, fixed up some formatting errors, plugged it into our localizer system, and put the results at the link above. Our Localization tracking tool just looks for missing strings and puts the English string in it's place for reference. There are a few dozen lines that the last unofficial French strings didn't cover, so watch for them in the Kerb google doc.

I have also made Kenshiro French mod for these boards.

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Re: Source Doc(s) French

Post by V_E_B » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:23 pm

I would like to discuss the french traduction.
I feel this thread is the appropriate place, but fill free to move this to another topic if I'm wrong :S
I will discuss in english so that the devs (or anyone, for that matter) can understand the thought process and correct if we misunderstand a term or miss a subtle/hidden meaning.

For starter :
- Rounds : the closest term would be "obus", but it imply a projectile with a payload, which they don't have in SotS. So "munition" (ammunition) might be more fitting. I'd like to avoid "balle". While it is a correct translation of "round", it is generally used for much smaller caliber (bullets).
- AP : lots of way to translate. "Perce Armure", "Perce Blindage", "Anti Armure", "Anti Blindage", "Anti Tank", "Hautement Perforant" (or just "Perforant"). Dunno the official term in the army. I feel "Armure" (armor) as less used in modern setting in french than in english, and would prefer "blindage". As of now, I set it as "PB" for "perce-blindage", feel free to change.
- Thud Missile : the onomatopeia can't be conveyed as is in French. Did set it to "Missile Bélier" (Ram Missile) for the idea of impact, and to keep a not too scientific or formal wording.
- Riders : never heard of an existing word for it. Either we keep Rider, or find some acceptable proxy. I thought of "auxiliaire" (auxiliary, as in auxiliaries), or "escorteur" (escort vessel). The second might carry a more clear meaning, but would need another translation for the escort BR.
- Thumpers : no any french word mean "thump". The verb "vasciller", meaning "something losing or trying to gain back its equilibrium" could be used in the form "Vascillateur". It get the "set something in motion" and the "loss of equilibrium" part of the thumper, but lack the "violent" aspect of it (more like pushing something off a ledge than punching it).
- Tumblers : french word do exist for tumble, but with unintended meanings. "culbute" is close in meaning, but can also mean having sexual intercourse. This second meaning is a bit antiquated, so "Culbuteur" would work, but would make some people grin. "Destabiliseur" (litteraly destabilizer) would work too, but like "Vascillateur" would lack the violent part of the action.
- Mass Driver : the term is quite used in french sci-fi, I wouldn't recommend translating it.
- Driver : as mass driver is (afaik) well known in french, I think driver can be kept in regard to the ballistic weapons, giving "Driver Lourd" (for heavy driver) or "Driver de Siège" (Siege Driver).
- mass shotgun : the word shotgun can be translated as "fusil à pompe", but shotgun is way more used by the French. Plus, the french word imply a rifle, not a cannon. Like mass driver, translating would in fact confuse the user more than anything.
- Reflex Missile : while reflex is a word, I understood it in this context more like a brand or a technique, so I kept as is, giving "Missile Reflex" (with intended lack of accentuation).
- Reflex Furnace : same as reflex missile, for "Chaudière Reflex".
- Fusion Projectors : the "Fusion" part can be translated either as "à Fusion" ([projecting] by mean of fusion) and "de Fusion" ([projecting] fusion). The distinction is not as marked as french as in english, so both work well. The first being a bit less accurate, but better sounding. Same remark for all projectors (plasma, antimatter...).

Please comment, correct and propose :)

Edit : description string for the EW drone is either missing or misplaced (tech name string is ok). The descriptions goes directly from advances drones to suicide drones, and the expected key TECH_DESC_BRD_EW-Drone doesn't appear anywhere.

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Re: Source Doc(s) French

Post by kenshiro » Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:03 pm

I think you are in the right topic don't worry.
I agree with your starter, with 'rider' I think is better to leave Rider.
For 'AP' "perce blindage" looking good for me and "balle" is the best appropriate for 'rounds' at the beginning I leave the english name because I don't know some word like their.

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Re: Source Doc(s) French

Post by Kran » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:10 pm

Hi guys !

I'm very excited to see a french ( and other ones ) translation for this great game and impressed by your efforts.
I will try to give you some help and feedback on it.

First, my 2 cents ( in french, sorry :? ) on the terms discussed by V_E_B earlier:

Round : La traduction qui serait à la fois la plus logique et la plus large ici serait "Projectile". C'est un terme générique utilisé la plupart du temps pour les classes d'arme de ce type ( Arme à projectile, ou autre ).
AP : En restant sur l'idée de "Projectile", le AP Round devrait être simplement traduit en "Projectile perforant" et donc AP par "Perforant".
Thud Missile : L'idée du "Missile Bélier" me semble plutôt bonne. Une traduction plus synthétique aurait pu être "Missile détonnant".
Riders : C'est en effet difficile de traduire cela parfaitement en français. Laisser le terme tel quel ( et donc aussi BattleRider ) me semble le mieux.
Thumper : On peut souligner l'idée de repoussement avec le terme "Répulseur".
Tumbler : J'approuve le terme "Déstabilisateur", c'est celui qui correspond le mieux à l'idée véhiculée par la technologie en question.
Driver / Mass Driver : Un terme générique est encore une fois le plus approprié, à mon avis. "Impacteur" ( Driver ), "Impacteur de Masse" ( Mass Driver ), "Impacteur Lourd" ( Heavy Driver ) ou "Impacteur de Siège" ( Siege Driver ) sonnent bien.
Mass Shotgun : Garder le terme de Shotgun n'est pas gênant, ici, et même plutôt une bonne idée. Le terme français fait référence au mouvement de rechargement "Fusil à pompe" alors que le terme anglais fait référence aux projectiles. Le problème c'est plutôt le terme Mass ... on pourrait bêtement le traduire comme plus haut par "de Masse" pour donner "Shotgun de Masse".
Reflex : Puiqu'il s'agit là d'un aspect technologique plutôt que d'un simple effet réflexe, le mieux est de garder le terme "Reflex".
Reflex Furnace : Par contre, le terme "Chaudière Reflex" ne me semble pas très adapté. En lisant la description, on comprend bien qu'il s'agit plus de l'idée d'enfermement, de recyclage des particules. Je priviligirai plus le sens que la traduction littérale ici, avec "Confinement Reflex" par exemple.
Fusion Projector : Attention, tu sembles dire qu'en français la disctinction n'est pas marquée. Ce n'est pas toujours vrai, malheureusement. Dans le cas général, un projecteur à Fusion fonctionne avec la Fusion. Un projecteur de Fusion projette de la Fusion. On peut imaginer un Projecteur de Cacahuète à Essence mais l'inverse n'est pas évident ;) ( même s'il existe bien évident des contre exemples dans notre chère langue, comme Pompe à eau ).
Dans le cas présent, je dirai il s'agit bien de "Projecteur de Fusion" ( Fusion Projector ), "Projecteur de Plasma" ( Plasma Projector ), etc ...


I saw some orthographical errors in the source doc, where can i make the corrections ?
I hope this is helpful :)

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Re: Source Doc(s) French

Post by castewarkp » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:24 am

Kenshirio is the guy to talk to about joining the effort and accessing the docs.

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Re: Source Doc(s) French

Post by V_E_B » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:44 am

I'll follow in english if you don't mind :)

AP: "Projectile perforant" (piercing missile) works, but "Projectile PB" would be more concise. Both work, not much of a difference, but can help for tooltips.
Riders: I recently discovered (from a friend that is a lot in military stuff) that carried aircraft where called "parasites". Not sure everyone will understand, but it is apparently perfectly accurate. So we could have "Parasite de Bataille", "Croiseur de Bataille" and "Cuirassé de Bataille" for the three types of riders. Technically, BattleShip should be "Cuirassé" only, but "Dreadnought" is also translated as "Cuirassé", and it keeps the semantic of "- de Bataille" for the riders. Same as differencing cruisers and battlecruisers. Not sure I'm clear ^_^'
Thumper: "Répulseur" is good, nice one :)
Driver / Mass Driver: "Impacteur" will already be used by the Impactor. Apparently, Wikipedia gives "Catapulte Electromagnétique" as translation. If we really want to avoid "mass driver", "Catapulte EM" would be acceptable in my eyes.
Mass Shotgun: not too fond of "de masse". Gives to much of an idea of area of effect, instead of the munition type (there is the same ambiguity in french for "mass" : doss "mass teleportation" teleport some mass, or teleport multiple things ?). "Canon Shotgun", "Catapulte Shotgun" or "Shotgun EM" maybe ?
Reflex Furnace: confinement Réflex sounds cool, I like it.
Fusion Projector: I just mean that "Projecteur à Fusion" and "Projecteur de Fusion" works both. "Canon de Fusion" doesn't sounds great, so if we wan't to streamline the canons (which is all but mandatory), "à" would work better than "de", but ultimately either way is fine for me, as long as we stick to the convention.

Now, some more terms to discuss :
FTL Broadband: "Transmission FTL large bande" ? I have no clue about wave terminology, so feel free to correct.
Forensic Scanner: I used "Scanner Légiste". As I understand it, this scanner analyse a damaged ship to identify flaws. Forensic can be translated as "forensique", but it then means "applied to the criminal and legal field". Légiste, from "Médecin Légiste" (corroner) felt more close to the idea of analysing and fiding problem in a body.
Carrier Command: Aircraft Carrier is "Porte-Avion" in french. Carrier alone doesn't translate. I used "Porte-nef" (Ship Carrier), which was the translation used for Starcraft's Carriers. Hence, "Porte-Nef de Commandement".
Anagathics: it seems it is a fiction term from some book ("The Plutonian Drug", "La Drogue de Pluton"). Didn't find any translation, closest existing term was "Médecine Régénérative". If anyone did read those books, could he submit the term ?
Beast Bomb: "Bombe Bête" would be... quite hilarious, in fact, but nonetheless not the right meaning. "Bombe Dégénérative" or "Bombe Régressive" better carry the meaning. A more flowery term could be "Bombe Lycan" or "Bombe Garou" (Werewolf Bomb), for the idea that affected peoples become uncontrolable beasts. "Bombe Bestiale" as last resort, is quite close to the original term, but... meh, I don't know, I just don't like it, it seems.
Torpedo Capacitors: "Condensateurs pour Torpille" is accurate, but I feel I'm missing something :/
Materials Applications: I don't really get the english meaning, to be honest. It is about materials... being applied... So "Génie des Matériaux" (Material Engineering, in the sense of a field of study) seems generic enough.
Mega-Strip Mining: "Strip Mining" would be "Minage à Ciel Ouvert". "Méga Minage à Ciel Ouvert" is too long winded, and not fitted for a space age technology imho. I would simplify as "Minage à Grande Echelle".
Vacuum Preservation: there is a trap : "Conservation sous vide", the direct translation, mean vacuum packing. And I'm pretty sure we didn't wait for nuclear fusion tech to invent it :P . As I understand, here it is about stocking things in vacuum, like outside of the ship, so "Conservation Hors Atmosphère" (Out of Atmosphere Preservation) seems good.
(more to come, when I'll have the time)

And last, I just want to remind peoples that in french there is a blank space before colon. Write "Recherche :", not "Recherche:".
Notice some of those, nothing important, but eh, less work if it is right without further edit ;)

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Re: Source Doc(s) French

Post by V_E_B » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:52 pm

A question for Kerberos : I see that sometimes, the name of technologies begins with a capital letter in description, and sometimes not (ex: pulse phaser talk about "phaser", variable phaser talk about "Phaser"). Is there a rule for that ?
Second question : where is the string for the description of the EW-drone tech ? I know I already asked, but I still don't have an answer :P

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Re: Source Doc(s) French

Post by Nspace » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:41 pm

2) Read through the TECH_DESC_BRD_Advanced_Drones entry. From what I can tell, the TECH_DESC_BRD_EW-Drone entry is appended to the end of the Advanced_Drones description. It looks like the TECH_DESC_BRD_Advanced_Drones entry is missing the quotation marks at the end of the description and the TECH_DESC_BRD_EW-Drone entry is missing quotation marks around both the "TECH_DESC_BRD_EW-Drone" portion and the beginning of the description.
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Re: Source Doc(s) French

Post by V_E_B » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:04 pm

Well, the TECH_DESC_BRD_Advanced_Drones entry has already been translated, so the original text is no more :/
Should we put back the TECH_DESC_BRD_EW-Drone entry underneath, then ?

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Re: Source Doc(s) French

Post by Nspace » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:50 pm

Probably, at least until casewar gets a chance to update the strings file. :) I also noticed that the string that is currently in the file is incomplete, so I went back multiple versions until I found a full one:

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"TECH_DESC_BRD_EW-Drone","The small size of a drone means it is impossible for it to be outfitted with the same level of Electronic Warfare gear as a ship, that same size - along with their speed and unmanned nature - makes them ideal for performing an EW role in areas where a ship would be at risk."


And the older version of TECH_DESC_BRD_Advanced_Drones that doesn't have the EW-Drone text appended to it:

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"TECH_DESC_BRD_Advanced_Drones","This technology allows for the creation of more robust drone frames, power systems and control surfaces, which results in the ability to support larger weapon load-outs and more robust attack systems. This gives an Empire the ability to build Heavy Drones, and Advanced Assault Shuttles."
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Re: Source Doc(s) French

Post by V_E_B » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:47 am

Thank you very much for the quick answer :)

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Re: Source Doc(s) French

Post by V_E_B » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:01 pm

A quick question about precognition. It states "This ability allows certain beings to be trained in sensing the pattern of future events." Should we understand :
1) pattern in the future, telling what psy powers are used to see (part of) the future, like a prediction based on nothing but psy power ? Data is not here, so we gather it in the future and bring it back by psy magic.
or
2) the psy powers allow otherwise impossible analysis of already present pattern betraying future behaviour ? Data is here, and tell the future, but isn't exploitable by normal means.

Not really that it matters gameplay wise, but it can makes for a better translation :)

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Re: Source Doc(s) French

Post by Eleahen » Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:29 pm

Pretty sure that's 1).

Also, psy-related and cerebro-energetic stuff shares terminology with book series by Julian May (though I'm still at book #3):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saga_of_Pliocene_Exile
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Milieu_Series



V_E_B wrote:Pretty sure too, but I wan't to eliminate this "pretty"' :P

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Re: Source Doc(s) French

Post by V_E_B » Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:35 pm

Pretty sure too, but I wan't to eliminate this "pretty"' :P

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Re: Source Doc(s) French

Post by Vanish » Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:09 am

wow, this is some mind-boggingly amazing translation work right there. as of writing this I would say there are still about 10%-15% of strings who "qualify" for translation but aren't fully translated, although with careful scrutiny (and if you disqualify things like Ship Names), this number could maybe be chopped down to 5-10%

I might be able to provide minor assistance in wrapping this up, though everybody here is light years ahead of me in their mastery of game terminology and other related subjects.

either way I hope this sees the light of day! good luck!
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