DN only v DN and CR escorts?

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Re: DN only v DN and CR escorts?

Post by Redeyes » Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:51 pm

Well, Morrigi are really good at shield technology, and DNs can't use those...
(Do you ever need shields?)

I'll note one opponent-dependant item I hadn't realized until last week. Liir with Improved Reflectivity vs. my Pulse Phasers. I'd never noticed before that Pulse Phasers are classed as "lasers" and thus can make a really pretty reflective spray against improved reflective armor.
Are Pulse Phasers actually deflected that often,they supposedly have a higher bonus against ricocheting than armor piercing rounds even? (To be fair, Imp. Reflective Coating is much more common than Adamantite Alloys)

From inspiration I received in this thread I made a couple of Liir point defense cruisers with pulse phasers in every slot, from small to medium, was more fun (and effective) than it had a right to be :D

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Re: DN only v DN and CR escorts?

Post by johndunk » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:07 pm

Visually they sure seem to have been deflected a lot, but that might also look like a lot since my Morrigi DNs were loaded with almost nothing but pulse phasers at that point.
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Re: DN only v DN and CR escorts?

Post by fiendishrabbit » Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:08 am

johndunk wrote:Visually they sure seem to have been deflected a lot, but that might also look like a lot since my Morrigi DNs were loaded with almost nothing but pulse phasers at that point.


It also looks like a lot because, unlike previous lasers, pulsed phasers fire 3 shots per salvo. Overall though, even under less than ideal circumstances, I rarely see more than 20-25% reflected shots.
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Re: DN only v DN and CR escorts?

Post by Grifman » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:10 pm

CR's are great against DN's with impactors/blazers. Those forward firing weapons can only target one ship at a time and CR's are also smaller faster targets. Throw multiple CR's at the enemy and keep them moving.

Hehehe, I do remember though an interesting game where I had awful luck. No energy cannons beyond plasma, no heavy beams beyond HCL, no beams beyond neutron. I was really screwed. But I did have pulse phasers and MkIV shields. So I created swarmer fleets of shielded, pulse phaser armed destroyers. They swarmed the enemy dreads like a bunch of wasps and took them out.

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Re: DN only v DN and CR escorts?

Post by Mugabi » Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:43 am

I usually get to a point in the game were I need to use DN only fleets. When that happens, most of those are SotS and Impactors.
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Re: DN only v DN and CR escorts?

Post by BlueTemplar » Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:54 am

As always, depends what tech you have / what you are facing. But in general DN fleets are less likely to get whittled down over a course of many combats (if you have enough R&S that is...). On the other hand CR fleets are more maneuverable and can concentrate fire more effectively.

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Re: DN only v DN and CR escorts?

Post by Mightypeon » Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:17 am

In some cases, War Cruisers with long ranged heavy weaponry can be quite some help in Dread on Dread fights, as can be assault barrage Cruiser. If you have a situation in which dreadnought frontally slug it out, throwing some Nanites at them is very awesome.

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Re: DN only v DN and CR escorts?

Post by kdonovan » Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:14 pm

Even better is having a few dreadnoughts up front to keep the enemy's attention and then some impactor cruisers behind as artillery support. (Impactor cruisers seem more efficient than dreadnoughts as a specialty ship.) The dreadnoughts keep the enemy off the impactors, while the impactors soften up the enemy for the dreadnoughts.

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Re: DN only v DN and CR escorts?

Post by matster » Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:04 am

I like to use CR escorts with my DN cnc. Mostly for manuverability. Especially if you have all of the cnc bonus techs and go in with larger fleets. I can use my command ship and four or five cruisers to handle one task while using 3 to 5 other CR to handle another job. Vs the Zuul CR's are better due to the prolific use of boarding pods. Also, waves of CR's with pd and some AP mass drivers are great at countering biomissiles.
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Re: DN only v DN and CR escorts?

Post by motorbit » Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:59 am

put one or two heavy emiters on your dns, and the enemy will curse his idea to bring a dn-cnc with cruiser brawlers.

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Re: DN only v DN and CR escorts?

Post by Mecron » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:04 pm

not if they come with hardened electronics

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Re: DN only v DN and CR escorts?

Post by S.K. Ren » Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:17 am

Mecron wrote:not if they come with hardened electronics

Simple: Put 4 Hvy Emitters on it then :P

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Re: DN only v DN and CR escorts?

Post by ForceUser » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:39 pm

With Tarka you can have both of course :) 3DNs that have decent forward firepower with 6 super fast and maneuverable CRs with ridiculous armor and weaponry (one can potentially out gun the carrier)

The weapon diversity on the Riders aren't that great but what more do you need than 24 Graviton Beams/Hv AM Cannons/Hv AP Drivers and 102 AM cannon/AP Drivers/Phasers ?

They have a bit more than 1/3 the HP of the Armada DN and they are one section ships :)

So basically the enemy can take out 2DNs worth of riders and then you can just retreat to one of your planets and it wont "cost" you anything.

But if you're not Tarka then I'd say that unless you managed to grab AM projectors and Mk3/4 shields then I'd go DNs all the way. AM projectors on a swarm of Shielded CRs kill DNs sooooooooo fast and can dodge most of the HCL/Lancer/Cutting Beam fire.

Liir (dunno about zuul, but when do they get AM projector DNs) have 4 projectors on their DNs so another incentive to go DNs. Those are even good against swarms of CRs.

Impactors (liir have 10 marigi 7 rest 6) are insane as Either DN only vs DN only or as 1 Impactor with CRs keeping the enemy busy.


So basically: Depends on Race and Tech AND if the enemy is using just Dreads.
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Re: DN only v DN and CR escorts?

Post by Simetra » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:46 pm

I remember a hilarious game against hivers with tarka. My flagship fleet only used carrier DN.
Flagship + 3 Carriers + 9 Hunters
Hunter circled around the Hiver DN and the tried to hit them with their heavy beams :bangdesk:
Than my carriers (with BB) could easily finish them off with their beams, even so they had only 5 compared to the hivers 18.

So yeah, carrier + hunters are quite funny ;) (of course that would not work against a human)

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Re: DN only v DN and CR escorts?

Post by ProjectLevyDelta » Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:49 am

DN battles are certainly plausible late game

DN Flagship or Armada with CR and DE swarm is also a very nice tactic as well

Not too sure which one is more effective I suppose... Also it seems I used to like Tarkas a lot.

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