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Re: The Hivers

Post by Erinys » Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:18 pm

Virtually any clan who wasn't in favor of all-out absolute war would happily kill the clan that began researching this technology. Interregnum is a time of suffering, pain and destruction. the Queen is stability, sanity and unity to the Children, and deliberate attempts to thwart or subvert Her authority are not welcome for a variety of reasons.

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Re: The Hivers

Post by fibio » Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:56 pm

Hmm, must not mention this to Suul'ka.
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Re: The Hivers

Post by Sons of Skaro » Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:55 am

Would there be any unpleasant side effects for a Hiver if they have been away from the Queen's pheromones too long: like what is seen in the symptoms of narcotic withdrawal?

Should a Hiver accidentally lose their ability to detect the Queen's pheromones (for example: due to injury), would they still be welcome in Hiver society, or would they be automatically deemed a threat?
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Re: The Hivers

Post by Erinys » Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:48 am

Sons of Skaro wrote:Would there be any unpleasant side effects for a Hiver if they have been away from the Queen's pheromones too long: like what is seen in the symptoms of narcotic withdrawal?


Most Hivers never experience the Queen's pheromones. They are necessary to the other Hiver royal females, not to all Hiver-kind.

Should a Hiver accidentally lose their ability to detect the Queen's pheromones (for example: due to injury), would they still be welcome in Hiver society, or would they be automatically deemed a threat?


A Hiver lacking the sense of smell is no more of a threat than a deaf human being. Whether they would be welcome would depend on whether other Hivers were able to accept the disability.

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Re: The Hivers

Post by Shatner » Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:12 pm

Erinys wrote:Just as an example: many people mistakenly believe that the Hiver mythos of the Black Queen is a simple and primitive manifestation of dualist philosophy, analogous to many known human examples. A closer look at this belief system at the upper levels of the Hiver clerical hierarchy, however, reveals that this is not simply a philosophy or a myth which illustrates the Zoroastrian principle. It is a cosmological system which the priests describe with equations and advanced astrophysical theory.

The Hivers do not believe that the entity we call "the universe" is in fact a universe. They would probably say that it was more accurately classified as a "bi-verse". The Meniscus of the universe--which is the basis for both the Tarka's "warp" bubble and the Hiver's instantaneous matter transmission--is not a sheathe which separates being from non-being. It is rather a sometimes-permeable barrier which separates the realm of the Light Queen from that of the Black Queen. Those who wonder what is meant by "the realm of the Black Queen"--which ordinary Worker, Warrior and Royal Hivers conceive as a sort of "hell" inhabited by demonic entities--should probably be aware that Hivers do not call the substance that fuels their most powerful drives "antimatter".

They call it "Black Matter".

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It sounds like the lay-hiver thinks the realm of the Black Queen is full of demons and such. What do the hiver priests (I'm tempted to call them tech-priests but I'm not sure if you'd appreciate the Warhammer 40k comparison) think is over there? Furthermore, do they think the other half of the bi-verse has planets and stars and life, like our side, or is it something different?

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Re: The Hivers

Post by Erinys » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:37 pm

Hiver cosmologists would characterize the Black matter universe as roughly equivalent in mass and energy to our own, although the arrangement of that mass and energy is obviously subject to significant speculation. :wink:

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Re: The Hivers

Post by Rust » Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:17 pm

People, I don't understand, why Hiver attaced Humans in time First Contact? If I right understand, Bugs not agressive too much?

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Re: The Hivers

Post by ZedF » Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:35 pm

Quick summary: at a time of hiver civil war, one rogue hiver princess and her clan were looking for a place to hide so she could eventually become a queen in her own right (quirk of hiver biology.) I don't think we've ever been told why exactly she came here; presumably long range scans suggested our system might be suitable. She was not happy to find an indigenous species occupying the system when she arrived and presumably thought she could brush the natives out of her way relatively easily. Apparently not, however. :)
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Re: The Hivers

Post by ProjectLevyDelta » Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:27 pm

So in a sense ZedF we basicly killed a tyrant? Oh if it the same in our world as it is in SotS the Queen should be pleased :D
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Re: The Hivers

Post by ZedF » Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:37 pm

Given there was no queen at the time (hence civil war) I'm sure her rivals were not unhappy with her demise. However, they were less pleased with what happened next. The humans did not know that the Hivers were not united and the princess was acting on her own initiative; when they met other hiver clans, they thought humanity's existence was still at stake, so things escalated quickly. Neither side had the requisite xenotech to be able to communicate with one another initially, and neither was particularly quick to develop it.
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Who Let The Bugs Out -- Hiver vs. Tarka and Zuul
Tarka Ascendant -- Tarka vs. Hiver and Zuul

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Re: The Hivers

Post by ProjectLevyDelta » Fri Dec 10, 2010 6:00 pm

Ahh the glories of OMG YOU BEAT ME UP I IS MAD! That always promotes peace :thumbsup:

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Re: The Hivers

Post by Djohaal » Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:39 pm

Whew! what a big read. Excellent job creating such a rich backstory Erinys! :)

Now to add my question, given the crystalline and relatively more stable structure of hiver brains, wouldn't this make them the ideal subjects for deconstruction, analysis and "uploading" into computer systems? (think digital mind uploading like in alpha centauri)


Perhaps this would reflect into a greater ease of hivers to create AIs as they can use the patterns of their own brains to shape the AI systems?

Also after reading the whole thread I haven't found references to how the surface of a hiver world looks like, was this stapled out in another work?

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Re: The Hivers

Post by TrashMan » Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:23 am

Uuum...we never killed the attacking hiver princess? Her DN was damaged and limped away to places unknown.

So that rouge princess is still out there.
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Re: The Hivers

Post by ZedF » Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:40 pm

Nooooo.... Erinys has said the humans chased her badly damaged fleet away from Sol, then found a node link to the system they were fleeing to, and followed up with a fleet of destroyers before her fleet arrived, thereby finishing her off.
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Fractious Allies -- Hiver vs. Hiver, with allies
Who Let The Bugs Out -- Hiver vs. Tarka and Zuul
Tarka Ascendant -- Tarka vs. Hiver and Zuul

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Re: The Hivers

Post by The Earl of Emsworth » Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:00 pm

A couple of questions (sorry if these are repeats)
Do the workers, warriors etc vary according to task? E.G, on a watery world colonized, would the offspring there adapt to it? And in an indivdual hive, will the umbrella 'worker' cover many different specialised types, such as for cleaning, building etc?

Will each fleet (or even each large ship) have a Princess aboard? I assume so, to produce the immense numbers of expendable crewmen, and if so, are they kept in a central chamber and 'cared for' like bee queens?

Do Hivers have an 'Empire' as we would understand it, or do individual swarms (Princesses) more or less do their own thing, expand on their own initiative, unless the Queen specifically recalls them to the homeworld?

PS: Just to add that, in my opinion, the Hivers are an excellent job - if anything, they are more threatening (and thoroughly more dangerous, and ergo more fun to fight/play as) than a 'Hive Mind' as a concept, because each individual Hiver is just that, an individual. Sort of like what would happen if you took Giger's alien (a lot less horrifying though) and put it into Cameron's hive, or the real behaivour of bees - a hive of intelligent, reasoning entities, which can extrapolate, learn and adapt is a lot more frightening/dangerous than a hive of swarming, midless things.

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