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Re: The Hivers

Post by Azrael Ultima » Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:47 pm

TrashMan wrote:So that rouge princess is still out there.


Even Hivers like themselves some makeup.

Not every fleet will have a princess on board, from the message you get when a CnC gets attacked i'd say significant forces are usually led by princes, while the flagship may or may not have the queen on board.
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Re: The Hivers

Post by AlanF5 » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:18 pm

It would be strange and desperate times indeed for the queen herself to board a vessel. See "Hungry Children" scenario ;)

The Earl of Emsworth wrote:A couple of questions (sorry if these are repeats)
Do the workers, warriors etc vary according to task? E.G, on a watery world colonized, would the offspring there adapt to it? And in an indivdual hive, will the umbrella 'worker' cover many different specialised types, such as for cleaning, building etc?
Workers, and even warriors to some extent, will be tailored to their tasks. Workers are the most diverse, I think, as they may be specialized toward anything from janitorial duties to raising children to farming to scientific research to... yeah.

Will each fleet (or even each large ship) have a Princess aboard? I assume so, to produce the immense numbers of expendable crewmen, and if so, are they kept in a central chamber and 'cared for' like bee queens?
CnC vessels are more likely to have a Prince commanding the fleet. Colonizers, especially Biomes, are more likely to have a Princess on board. More can always be moved to a growing colony via abstracted gate transport.

Do Hivers have an 'Empire' as we would understand it, or do individual swarms (Princesses) more or less do their own thing, expand on their own initiative, unless the Queen specifically recalls them to the homeworld?
The Queen guards control of the gate network most jealously. A Princess expanding on her own iniative would likely be treated as an usurper, especially if she did not take any of the Queen's gates. I also suspect that the Queen wants as much influence over the political aspect of who gets what territory, and how quickly, lest any daughter rise too far above her peers and try to take the crown before her time.
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Re: The Hivers

Post by kdonovan » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:22 pm

The Earl of Emsworth wrote:A couple of questions (sorry if these are repeats)
Do the workers, warriors etc vary according to task? E.G, on a watery world colonized, would the offspring there adapt to it? And in an indivdual hive, will the umbrella 'worker' cover many different specialised types, such as for cleaning, building etc?


It's my understanding that the answer to these is yes. I think the wiki gives some examples.

The Earl of Emsworth wrote:Will each fleet (or even each large ship) have a Princess aboard? I assume so, to produce the immense numbers of expendable crewmen, and if so, are they kept in a central chamber and 'cared for' like bee queens?


The game implies that (most) fleets are led by Princes and colonies by Princesses.

The Earl of Emsworth wrote:Do Hivers have an 'Empire' as we would understand it, or do individual swarms (Princesses) more or less do their own thing, expand on their own initiative, unless the Queen specifically recalls them to the homeworld?


I think the Queens try to keep pretty tight control over their colonies. That's why Gates enabled a unified empire while pre-Gate the Hivers would fragment into separate polities across space. I think the is covered in the wiki too.

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Post by wingren013 » Sun May 01, 2011 12:05 am

It seems like the Hivers are Extra-Galactic. Is this true? If so, why did they abandon their home galaxy?
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Re: The Hivers

Post by Azrael Ultima » Sun May 01, 2011 1:46 am

What gave you that idea? With their slow-poke drives, they'd have to have started from their galaxy millions of years ago, longer than they ever existed as a society.

Not even the Morrigi can achieve speeds that would make intergalactical travel feasible.
In fact, all of the races in the game are probably from the same arm of the milky way.
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Re: The Hivers

Post by wingren013 » Sun May 01, 2011 2:09 am

The Hungry Children scenario.
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Post by patton1942 » Sun May 01, 2011 3:12 am

I tend to think of the galaxies in game as local clusters of stars, not entire galaxies.
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Post by Erinys » Sun May 01, 2011 3:22 am

Nope, should definitely think of the Hivers as occupants of a relatively near star cluster, not a distant galaxy. There are some things in the SotSverse old enough to have come that far, but the Hivers are not among them.

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Re: The Hivers

Post by erdrik » Sun May 01, 2011 12:07 pm

wingren013 wrote:The Hungry Children scenario.

Defintly local cluster. That scenario is a Solforce Simulation of what would of happened if they just sat by and watched a SuperNova destroy the Hiver territories.
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Re: The Hivers

Post by Sevain » Mon May 23, 2011 5:47 pm

What happens if you open up about your romantic problems to a Hiver worker at a bar? What about a prince(ss)?

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Post by Erinys » Tue May 24, 2011 6:16 am

Hiver warriors and workers have roughly the same ideas of romantic love that precocious children do. They understand that it is important, they respond to it dramatically in the arts, and they've heard a lot about it. But there is a cushion between them and the real passions associated with mating and the sort of pair bonding that results from it. So most like you would get a lot of "Well...I saw...in a movie one time? And all he had to do to win her heart back was bring her the head of a hated enemy. So...there you go!" *guzzles a bit more yogurt smoothie* "Problem solved!"

Hiver royals have intimate understanding of these things and a great deal of personal experience. Whether they could offer helpful advice is open to question, of course. There are very few humans who have love affairs that can actually cause the birth of thousands or the deaths of millions. For Hivers this is not so uncommon. They tend to be more cautious with their emotions than humans are for this reason.

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Re: The Hivers

Post by kdonovan » Tue May 24, 2011 5:40 pm

What is it that the Hivers say when they complete research on the Tarka xenotech? Everytime I have heard it the word they use to describe the Tarka it has been corrupted or garbled.

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Re: The Hivers

Post by DervMan » Tue May 24, 2011 6:50 pm

"We now know more about the reptiles..." ;)
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Post by nickersonm » Tue May 24, 2011 6:52 pm

"The Refined", I believe.

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Re: The Hivers

Post by wingren013 » Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:53 pm

It has been stated that Hiver gates and Tarkasian hyperdrives use the same basic principles, is it possible that SOTS2 will include some sort of FTL engine for the Hivers? (as a compliment to their gates)
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