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Ancient origins

Post by Glacialis » Fri May 22, 2009 7:02 pm

The Cthonics could have been around in a sapient form for a very, very long time. I don't know how likely it is that a sapient organism could "de-evolve" to a non-sapient state, but you don't have to go that far to lose your culture. Just ask the the Hiigarans.

These ideas refer to events in the distant past and few if any connections to their former society would remain. Thousands of years, tens or hundreds of thousands, millions, it doesn't matter much. The concepts are the same.

The only immediate downers are accidentally walking on Kerb's sekrit history of the game universe, and adding yet another race that's been around for a while.

1 - Created by a another civilization. This may tread on SotS lore, even if the civilization in question is long gone.

2 - Started out as some other lifeform and were engineered into their current form (specifically carbon -> silicon). Off the top of my head:

2a - Their predecessors went the transhumanist/posthuman route. In short, they chose to modify themselves to become better -- whatever that meant to them. Definitely "next few stages of evolution" kind of stuff. Such changes might or might not be permanent depending on how they were made (technological aids or gengineering). By this time, all that is left are the modifications evolution found useful. I do not believe that there is currently a place in SotS for self-replicating technology incorporated into bodies that can last millions or even thousands of years without maintenance or replacement. At least, not for us to meddle with.

2b - By mid-game all sorts of genetic engineering options are available for your colonists. What if you made some extreme modifications, things went bad for your empire, the colonists survived, and you didn't? Take two groups of humans, fast forward a million years, and they're going to be quite different. Now if one group was engineered for extreme environments and has been living in that environment, the changes are going to be beyond comprehension.


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Re: Ancient origins

Post by tpfleming12 » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:15 am

You could stretch that into a common ancestor for all the sots races.

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Re: Ancient origins

Post by Shiro » Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:49 pm

All of your examples seem to lead to the thought that they were created by another race.

Is it impossible for these guys to just be natural occurrences?

For instance, To explain their abrupt appearance into the Sword of the Stars universe. Perhaps they were unnoticed until now because everyone else was looking for animals that 'looked' intelligent to them, many of the races could have seen the Rockbug's planet and disregarded it as nothing because all they saw was rock, or they assumed "No (carbon based) living thing could survive in that heat". The Rockbugs could have even been living in the solar system of another race until just now.


Re: Ancient origins

Post by Glacialis » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:07 pm

tpfleming12: I don't believe a common ancestor is feasible as the existing races already have rich histories which don't require that kind of linkage.

Shiro: Only the first scenario involves another race. There's plenty of reasons why a race would suddenly emerge, and "that can't possibly be habitable" is certainly one of them.

The gist of my post was whether or not losing their past culture and history is interesting or meh.

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Re: Ancient origins

Post by Coyote27 » Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:07 am

I say it's "meh", because it takes away from all we could do with their past culture and heritage and how they got where they are now.
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Re: Ancient origins

Post by Glacialis » Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:46 am

I was thinking a long, long time ago -- plenty of time to develop a "new" culture before they figure out they used to be different.

Again, inspired by Homeworld.

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