Guided Ordinance (missiles and torpedos)

[ZedF]

AFAIK seeking munitions are immune to splash damage.

[Dafmeister]

That's handy, it would be rather annoying to try torpedo-spamming an enemy dreadnought only to find half by torpedos being destroyed by their predecessors.

[fredNN]

Plasma, Fusion and Antimater torpedo are Point Defence target. If Point Defence shot torpedo to half "life", how much damage it does? Half or full?

[Dafmeister]

As far as I understand it, a torpedos 'life' and the damage it does are the same thing. It gains power as it travels and loses power every time it takes a hit.

[fredNN]

As far as I understand it, a torpedos 'life' and the damage it does are the same thing. It gains power as it travels and loses power every time it takes a hit.

Thank you. If this is corect, is Torpedo very bad in close fight. Low damage = low "life" = easy to destroy.

But it gains power. Do you know if it gains power linear or it skips to next value when it travels over range (pb_range 200, eff_range 800 and max_range 1400)?

[ZedF]

AFAIK it's gradually increasing.

[Dafmeister]

And yes, guided torpedos are much less effective in a close-range fight. If you're up against a torpedo-using enemy and fighting at that range, you may be better off not using PD at all and putting offensive weapons in your small mounts - the extra damage you'd be giving out might well exceed what you'd take from the low-power torpedos you'd be receiving.

[Red Spot]

Playing as for instance Humans I tend to put PD in the CR-armors small slots, than when the AI shoots that first volley I let my fleet move forward in an angle of about 60%. They shoot down the torps, than I stop/let chase my ships and lock guns. Torp-damage on my ships tends to be very low/nothing at all. Later on, when facing AM-torps, I may use a dedicated PD.
If you skip on PD those first torps can do a whole lot of damage to the ship catching them

[Dafmeister]

Oh I agree. By the time I'm building cruisers I'm usually putting PD in the small mounts on everything except the light defence satellites (which get light emitters or lasers as a rule). My point was, if you're willing to take the hits on one or two ships while you close, replacing the PD with offensive weapons could get you a favourable rate of exchange once you've closed. Personally, I don't like that approach - partly because I don't like treating ships as expendable and partly because I prefer not to fight quite that close up.

[YRRAH2]

I have a question regarding missles and mount sizes.

I understand the relationship between directed energy weapons (ballistics, laser, etc.) and mount sizes: bigger mounts means more "tubes" of smaller weapons.

But for ships, there is only one size of missle. So does the same relationship hold? That is, a small mount fire one missle, a medium fire two, and a heavy fire three missles?

I have read through some (but by no means, all) forums here but have not seen a definitive answer to this. And I haven't played enough times to deduce the answer from gameplay.

Thanks

[Nspace]

Hey YRRAH2, welcome to the forums. To answer your question, yes the same type multiple barrel relationship holds true for missiles but with a slight twist. Missiles are a medium mount weapon to start with, so you get one missile in a medium mount and two in a large mount. There are no larger mounts in SotS 1, so two missiles in one turret is the biggest you will see.

And as a fun aside, when you put a missile in a large turret, you get a different look to the turret than you do by putting a missile in a medium turret.

[Orion_Steel]

Oddly, I do not really like to use missiles - I dislike seeing them swept from the sky by PD.

I prefer something with fewer counters and better longlevity, so what I do like is mixed weapons on my ships:
For high accuracy: Pulse Phasers, Emmitters or lasers (preferred in that order)
For upgradable `punch`: Direct Fire. As I upgrade missile tech I can practically see the near-indestructible-but-too-slow-to-dodge hivers ships disolving

I find I can effectively use ships 3 or even 4 models old for defence when build like this, and unless ships field both armor and reflective upgrades something works well.

I find leap-mines very effective (against AI) too - better than the later mine techs even.

If enemy does not have deflectors I find photon torpedo destroyers with AI command or improved accuracy just eats Dreads (and even some cruisers). Most dreads just can`t hit em while my wolfpack dance around in stand-off range.

[fredNN]

First time I use Kelvinic Torpedo. Wiki say each Kelvinic Torpedo hit make target take 5% more damage.
Question:
1) do 2 KT hit make target take 10% damage? Do N KT hit make target take N * 5% damage?
2) do this effect expire or last until target is destroyed?